But Im not apologising. I stand by my comments.
What i was trying to say early on was we shouldnt conform to something just because everyone else is doing it. The examples i used were to show that same things go by different names depending on where you are. A bit like every country having its own language. So what if its called soccer here? Its what we know it as just like we know footy as Aussie Rules. Just like the Irish have Gaelic footy and the Americans American footy. We have Aussie Rules footy. Footy is the number 1 sport in Australia and will probably remain that way for many years to come. Soccer is on the increase but it will take a while before it overtakes football, if it ever will.
Perhaps I was a bit harsh with the go home if you are not going to barrack for Australia comments. I half wrote it knowing I would get a response (which it did…nothing like a bit of racial banter to stir up feelings). The other half I wrote out of anger because there has been all this hype about Australia finally making the world cup and some people I know were slagging the aussie team cause they (in their opinion) arent going to do well so they are going to cheer for their country of heritage, all so they can dump shit on us when “their” team does better, which i doubt they will even do. I just find that appalling. Here they were cheering on Australia to beat Urgay and how soccer is the greatest sport in the world (their opinion, not mine) and how soccer in Australia is now going to take off. And now they don’t want a part of it. I coach (assistant) an under 15 footy side – 3 weeks ago we lost by 40 goals, 2 weeks ago by 35 goals. Both games we only just had the number of players to field a full side. Last week we didn’t have a full team but they didn’t want to forfeit, they wanted to play. And we only lost by 20 goals. They turn up and train every week and eagerly await the game. If it weren’t for illness keeping a few players out we would have given the other team a good run for its money. Its called spirit. Something this person obviously doesn’t have. Not surprising considering they are a soccer fan.
As for footy commentators, couldnt agree with you more Rob. Todays commentators are shit. The only reason they have the job is because they used to play the game or have one-liners (eg. "cenimetre perfect - Dennis Commetti). Most are in fact quite boring and give no real insight or passion to the game. Expert or special commentators my arse. They have simply tried to imitate the American style of commentating which is to provide entertainment. Gary Lyon is the only TV commentator I enjoy listening to. Dennis Commetti is good but has been influenced over the last dew years by his channel 9 counterparts and has slipped. Anthony Hudson provides passion but it sounds forced or trying at times. The radio is a much better alternative, although biased. Passion is certainly not lost. Next year Bruce McAvaney will grace our screens and the worlds greatest commentator will again be ours to listen to.
Hoogster, I wouldn’t wipe my arse with the page of the paper cause you cant wipe away shit with shit. Take the poll in Adelaide last September a week before the Crows played the Power in the Semifinal. A much different result it would have been (Probably about 90%-10% in favour of footy). Take it in this September, a different result again. Take it in 5 weeks and the soccer percentage will probably be higher. And who says Victoria is the home of AFL? Maybe they do and maybe they used to be. But not anymore. It is truly a national game. In the last 10 years, 7 grand finals have been won by a team outside of Victoria. Also, where was the last Australian soccer match played? Victoria. All that hype will have influenced the result. Im not saying soccer isn’t interesting. Because it is. Do you forget the star striker of our year 7 team? There has been a lot of talk about the negativity of footy these days. And maybe half the games are “boring”. But what about the other half. Nothing has been said about the Collingwood v Bulldogs game last week. It was a beauty. And in all fairness it is hard to call the Australia v Greece game interesting. I don’t know what the fuck you were watching. Spectacular goal and Australia were tactically brilliant but I found the FA cup final was a lot more exciting even though I couldn’t care who won that. And what you talk about with astute coaches can be said with the AFL. Richmond (paying $5.75) beat Adelaide (paying $1.20) through a plan the coach devised and the players carried out to perfection. It’s the same with all sports.
And here’s something to make the world cup a bit more exciting. Im willing to wager with you all that my country of heritage (Australia) will make it further than yours. If each put in, say $10, winner to take all who’s in? Nick, you have the dutch, Emil the croats, John England, Rob Italy and anyone else is welcome. Except Shaun. Sorry mate but India didn’t quite make it.
Monday, May 29, 2006
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samuel
you keep bagging soccer and bagging the others with ethnic origin. but emil, rob, john, nick etc are all bigger socceroo fans than yourself. just because your 'more australian' than them doesnt automatically make you a bigger fan than them of the soceroos.
hence these bets with them over which country would go further are pretty pointless because they also want australia to do well (id say majority of them want australia to better than their country of ethnic origin)
bet with the other morons you talked bout who revoked their support for the socceroos.
meh anyway . you like AFL. we like soccer/football. bucky likes beaver. emil likes cock. af likes yiroses. rob loves gay hentai.
hahahaha
meh anyway . you like AFL. we like soccer/football. bucky likes beaver. emil likes cock. af likes yiroses. rob loves gay hentai.
rob LOVES GAY HENTAI
Hentai is good.....
I will say that in "Soccer" the refs have far more respect than the AFL umpires and i think this is because of the "red and yellow" cards that is apart of the games and how refs can actually tell off players. Players know that if they fuck with the ref too much in "soccer" they are going to get carded, a harsher penalty compared to that of just 50m's.
Man Pierluigi Collina wouldn't take any shit that the AFL players would say and for that matter Sam Newman, but rather knock some fucking heads.
dont really agree with you there rob...
i mean it depends what part in the world youre talking bout i wouldnt wanna ref a game in south america.
even anders frisk (one of the top refs in the world) retired last year because of death threats from chelsea fans cause mourinhos stupidity after a champs league game
crazy south americans...what will they do next.
PFFF, SOCCER REFS have more respect...what a load of shite, that is why whenever there is a decision like 5 of them charge the ref down
p.s. i have updated
about fucking time
Never have i bagged soccer when talking seriously. I quite enjoy playing the game. You gus are just so easy to stir up.
Never have i said im the biggest socceroo fan either. Im probably quite far from it. Im a fan yes. And want them to do well, always. I have pride in my country and those who represent it in any sport. I love it when i can say im part of a country that has the greatest team because i feel that in a way im part of that team.
And just cause India didnt make it no need to get upset over the bets. Just trying to create a little something extra on the world cup
ummm sam i was born in australia doesn't that make me australian not dutch?
just like you were born here but your criminal pre-decesors were born in england etc.
hahaha now whos fired up!!!
SAMWISE GANGEE!!!!
YOUR ENGLISH!!!
BUURRRRRNNNNNNNN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your bets still dont make sense cause most of them want australia to do better than their ethnic origin country !!
i'll say this.....from june 9th.... FOOTBALL/SOCCER/BEAUTIFUL GAME/BEST SPORT EVER....will rule the planet again..as it always does..but i reckon..its really really going to go gangbustas...
Gangbusters = ultimate word ever
Ok ive had enough of stirring you guys up. Just trying to build the excitement.
How bout this for a bet: We each put in $10 and get 10-15 people (making about $100-150) and put it on Australia to make it through to the knockout stage. I dont know what their odds are but it should make us some money.
"Anonymous said...
football... thats a funny name... i would have called it swizzbligging"
AAAHHAHAAAHAAA!!!
Good ol' Anonymous.....always with the wise cracks.
Now, I know I'm probably a bit late to join this 'discussion' but seeing as how I only just found out this blog existed....better late than never! Let's STIR it up good!! REAL good!! Heh heh....
0. I think what the game is called doesn’t really matter; as long as there’s no confusion as to what is being talked about. “A rose by any other name…..”
So ‘swizzbligging’ it is!!! DONE!
1. 'The Beautiful Game' - yes, it is beautiful to watch incredibly talented people do things which make the rest of us mere mortals seem about as coordinated as Eugene in comparison - BUT, let's face it - the only thing anyone cares about is goals, goals and more beautiful goals - which happens very infrequently!!! (and even when it does happen, it's not always a fabulous strike from 30 yards out - more common are tap ins, penalties and scrappy goals which are an aberration). Which is why personally, I could watch soccer highlights all day long, but to sit through wait 88mins of passing the ball around and throw-ins to maybe see one or two moments of brilliance can test the patience. (Abolish the offside rule! But that's for another post...)
"Centre passes to wing, wing to centre, centre holds it, holds it, HOLDS IT!!"
Other things that are NOT beautiful (and in fact quite the opposite) and have sadly become commonplace in ‘the beautiful game’:
- ‘simulation’/diving
- time wasting/running down the clock
- the ridiculous practice of flinging oneself to the ground upon the slightest contact and rolling around and clutching at one’s knees/feet in an attempt to win the foul (and then getting up and running around perfectly 2 seconds later!)
These acts are not only dishonest and unsportsmanlike, but are also an insult to the intelligence of the referee and the spectators.
2. 'The World Game' - Sure, it's played around the whole world, but when Switzerland VS Spain, what interest is there to anyone who's not Swiss or Spanish?? None whatsoever! The whole of Switzerland and Spain might be going nuts, but the rest of the world would just be like, "Meh....". Unless YOUR team is playing, the general public will have a care-factor of zero. That's why no games are ever played in neutral locations - Can you imagine the turn out for a Sweden VS Russia game if it was played in England? Or China? Or an African nation? Or Brazil or anywhere else???
Tennis is a truly international sport because the players travel all around the world so that the public actually get to see the top players play in real life (i.e. they are accessible to fans) and players have fans from all around the world because of (1) the way they play the game, (2) their personality and how they are as a person - and isn't that more important than where they come from??? Federer VS Nadal will have the whole world watching, fixed on their every move no matter where they play.
Also, having all these isolated and completely unrelated competitions around the world only serves to divide ‘the world game’. The Spaniards have their own league – could any of them give a stuff who is on top of the Bundesliga at the moment, or the J-League or any other league (and vice versa)? It doesn’t concern them and has absolutely no effect on their league so why on earth would they be interested. They are self-sufficient (and probably saturated) in terms of all their footballing needs and don’t need to look elsewhere. The only reason it’s different in Australia is because out league is so feeble people have to choose a team playing on the other side of the world to support.
I don’t know of any other events other than the World Cup and Olympics (both only every 4 years, and no one regards the Olympics anyway) in which teams from all around the world actually compete – strange for something called ‘the world game’, no??
There is only one unified ATP which is global - every player is in direct competition with every other player at any one time and hence every single tournament has a direct impact on the current rankings, etc. 139 teams play in the Davis Cup every year (yes, Djibouti has a Davis Cup team, as does Turkmenistan and Burkina Faso).
3. Passion - "A 100% chance of passion!"
It's true - there is a lot of passion in this sport...which is good, but I think is also it's undoing. Without going into riots, violence, hooliganism, etc which are all misdirected expressions of 'passion’, the thing which I cannot tolerate is how rather than being positively supportive of their own team, the effect on fans is quite the converse - this 'passion' seems to invariably encourage negative attitudes towards the opposition - THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!! There can be a lot of hatred and ill-feeling towards the other team - and why? For no other reason than they happen to be playing against your team on that particular day!
This aggression is released in the form of abuse (verbal or physical), jeering, taunting and booing and is directed at opposition players and fans and referees who are only doing their job and can make mistakes just like everyone else. This is typified by referees who are cast as villains one second but if they make AN IDENTICAL decision in your favour, are regarded as heroes.
In simple terms, most frequent thing you’ll hear at these sporting events:
Tennis: “C’mon!! Go [insert favourite player’s name here]!!!”
Football: “Die you fucking scumbag, cock-sucking, poofter wanker [insert opposition team/country here]!! You suck!!”
Also, another (to me) incomprehensible phenomenon is the turning of fans against their own players if they make an error or perform badly. The number of times I have heard football fans after a match lambast their own players - “That So-and-so, he’s so fucken shit, what a joke….etc, etc.” If you like a player/team, shouldn’t you like and encourage them regardless of whether they win or lose?
I can safely say that 99 times out of 100, the attitude of a tennis fan would be one of positive support for their own player rather than a negative one towards the opponent: “Damn, I’m really sad and disappointed that s/he lost today, but they gave it their all and the other player was just too good today, but I hope that next time s/he will win.”
Another side note on passion: since these professional players are always switching and swapping teams and leagues every 2 seconds at the drop of a hat (or fat, juicy check being waved in front of their face more like it), it shows that they have less passion and care less about the team than the fans do!! And they PLAYED for the team!! Go figure??
Summary:
Passion = good when used in a positive sense for encouragement, but horribly wrong when used in a negative way that is destructive and to the detriment of other human beings.
"ummm sam i was born in australia doesn't that make me australian not dutch?"
To me this statement doesn't make any sense at all. The place you were born is a piece of land, in a room, in a hospital.
Scenario: A Chinese couple move to Sweden for work, their child is born there and has Swedish citizenship. When the child is 6 months old, they move back to China. The child speaks no Swedish, doesn't look Swedish, has no memories of Sweden - so what nationality would you call them? He's obviously Swedish cos they were born there, right? That's what is says on his passport in bold letters.
What about the child of a Namibian father and Japanese mother who was born in Germany but grew up in the U.S. and married a French woman?? What's he???
What about people born on a plane or on a ship in international waters? Do they have no nationality because they weren't born in a country?
My point is, your nationality is more than what it says on a piece of paper and isn't necessarily where you were born - it's a feeling in your heart, that you know where you belong, that you feel a part of, that you feel you have a connection with the people, the culture, the language, etc.
Some people feel a connection to more than one place and have dual-nationality or multilple nationality, which is great, I think! Why not?! I consider myself to be among those.
Your statement would've made more sense if you said "I grew up in Australia". It's fine to say, I feel I have a greater connection to Australia than I do to the Netherlands, therefore I consider myself to be Australian.
P.S. Sam, I would've bet with you that Croatia would make it further than Australia had I know of the bet before - might be too late now, but maybe not!
Man your dead tom
i just read this post now
YOUR DEAD
DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
we shall continue this thru email...
Your blog keeps getting better and better! Your older articles are not as good as newer ones you have a lot more creativity and originality now. Keep it up!
And according to this article, I totally agree with your opinion, but only this time! :)
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